Tuesday, 22 July 2014

'MIND-WATCH' - WATCH THIS PICTURE WITHOUT WORDS - SEEK THE SEER- THE 'SELF'- TRUTH- BEING- EXISTENCE- CONSCIOUSNESS - BLISS.


Photo: 5/12/2014, #5 Pause Scott Forbes: Sir, for the most part there isn't. Most of the time there isn't. Most of the time there is the anger and then the observer looking at that anger, and thinking that it's separate. So could we take a look at the process by which we move from that state of the observer being different from the observed, to where the observer would be the observed. In other words, that the observer being the observed is not the normal state, is not the normal frame of mind, is not the normal consciousness. So could we take a look at how that could come about? K: Scott, would you consider for a moment, observing that which is happening now, just to observe. Can you do it? Can I observe my jealousy, can one observe jealousy as it is taking place, not say it's right or wrong, or rationalise it, why it should not be, but just to, as it arises, as a flower blooms, just to watch it. SF: But when you ask, can I observe... K: Not I. SF:... there already is the division. K: No, that's façon de parler, I mean that's a way of talking which is - please - not I - all right. There is jealousy. Is it possible to observe that reaction which is called jealousy without the movement of thought? Q: In other words, can there be constant awareness. K: No, I don't want to... in other words. You see, the moment you go off into something, then it becomes - 'what is awareness' and so on - complicated. Q: Sir, the moment you use the word 'observe it', 'can one observe it' or whatever, there's a duality implied. K: I've said that, sir, observer implies a duality. Agreed. But try it, Shankar. Just a minute. You are jealous, aren't you - sometimes. What is your actual feeling now? Q: Bafflement. K: Wait, bafflement, puzzle - can you watch that puzzle, that state of the mind which is in puzzle, just watch it, not say, 'I must be clear, what he's talking about,' just watch it, see. K: What? Q: There seems to be at some point a physical resistance to that, to that watching. K: Why? Is it physical? The gentleman says there is a certain resistance, physically, to watch. Because you're not comfortably seated? Or it is happening in the bus? Or when you're walking? Q: No. K: Are you saying there must be certain relaxation to observe? Q: No, that's not what I meant. Some disturbance that you feel in the body, a physical reaction. K: To? Q: To the watching. K: Why should there be? Q: I don't know. K: I'm asking, sir, why should there be a physical reaction to watching? Maybe, I don't know - please, all of us... this is supposed to be a discussion in which each one of us takes part, not one or two and the rest keep silent and listen. Q: I was going to ask you, actually, when you, for instance, I think you were saying, that if you're looking at fear, just trying to watch it, you're saying there's a physical resistance. Is this what you're saying? Q: Not especially of fear. Q: Because I would have thought the reason is because you want an answer, the mind always seems to want an answer to a problem instead of just opening out. Q: I think it's exactly that. When you start staying with something, at some point there's like a refusal, physical refusal you feel in the body. Q: We can't hear back here - sorry. Q: I'm sorry. It seems that at some point when you kind of started to stay with the fact, there is a physical refusal in your body to go along with that. K: Because that refusal may be the result of strain. Just a minute. Don't say, no. Or your body's not comfortable. Or there is a certain sense of resistance to the intensity of watching. Q: Perhaps, yes. K: Physical resistance to watching intensely. Because perhaps is it that we're not used to watching anything intensely? The moon, the sky, the trees, whatever it is? To watch. Now, can we put the question differently - apparently this seems to be rather difficult, all this. Why should thought interfere with anything, psychologically? Would you... am I putting...

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